Eerie Descent
4:32 Mon Jun 12
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So we're not allowed to criticise an underperforming manager, and celebrate a cup win?
You seem to be desperate for everyone to think and live life like you. Absolutely desperate. That's a very bad character trait, son. Comes across a bit creepy.
By the way, when was it that you finally cracked and wanted the manager sacked? November, wasn't it?
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swindon hammer
4:25 Mon Jun 12
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Yeah the ones on here that for months were the most vocal about devaluing this competition and saying how easy it should be to win were also the ones that supposedly spent 2-3 days on a bender celebrating!
Oh the irony!
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Eerie Descent
4:19 Mon Jun 12
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Side, I think being on a 2 day bender celebrating with friends and family, most of all who are West Ham, and not posting about it on here, is probably foreign to the lad, so a bit of understanding is needed.
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swindon hammer
4:14 Mon Jun 12
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I don’t need to check Eeyore. I’m already on here like most other posters.
You and your negative posts are prolific on here most days Eeyore so it’s kind of obvious when rather conveniently you seem to disappear after big wins and then after a few days straight back on the Moyes out thread.
What’s funny is that you didn’t even deny that you decided to take a break from the site to mourn!
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Side of Ham
4:09 Mon Jun 12
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Swindon you have to understand this forum is an extension of being a West Ham supporter not the ONLY place for many to celebrate West Ham’s good moments….you seem to think everyone who posts on here posts from afar…..imagine this was Swindon and this site was for keeping in touch with the club and it’s wider fan base rather than being in the town itself and doing it in real-time….you may not be bothered to post for while either….
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Eerie Descent
4:06 Mon Jun 12
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You didn't forget though, did you,? You're watching my every move.
It's flattering. A bit weird, coming onto a football messageboard in the days after we win a cup looking to see if someone has posted, but you're from Swindon, so it's understandable.
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swindon hammer
4:01 Mon Jun 12
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You could always stop replying Eeyore.
Or you could take a few days away from this forum but I forgot you only do that to mourn after we have had a big victory.
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Eerie Descent
3:55 Mon Jun 12
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You've given your reasons, why keep repeating yourself?
We disagree, that's fine. I'm not trying to force you to agree with me, I don't really give a fuck what you think, you're clearly a little bit obsessed with me, which I understand, but you're not going to change my mind son.
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swindon hammer
3:08 Mon Jun 12
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Eeyore,
this is not about whether he should have club legend status. It’s whether he was justified in wanting to leave the club because they weren’t ambitious enough, selling players and not replacing them and fighting relegation most seasons.
If you were scoring 20 goals every season in that set up then it’s not a surprise you wouldn’t be happy and want to move on for the sake of your own career and International ambitions.
The same reason Lineker left his boyhood club Leicester, Gazza left his boyhood club Newcastle etc.
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zico
2:45 Mon Jun 12
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Thing is you unfortunately can't have it both ways. On the one hand West Ham had an awful lot of testimonials in the mid to late 80's so there were a lot of players who had shown loyalty back then which was a good reflection of the "Family Club" feel. On the other hand you could argue that John was too loyal to the older guard and some went on too long, therefore if he had cleared a load out earlier you wouldn't have all those testimonials. I always felt that season that the squad had a lot of the old guard and a lot of youngsters coming through but not too many in the middle age range.
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cholo
2:21 Mon Jun 12
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ludo21
A devastating reflection on both the players and John Lyall. I always suspected a lot of those players, some of them senior and well respected pros, with their feet comfortably under the table, were basically taking the piss in that period and Lyall let them get away with it.
Slater though gets a free pass as he was literally a kid.
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Eerie Descent
2:17 Mon Jun 12
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Swindon (no need to have a comedy name for you, son)
Loads of footballers had more loyalty back then, you plank. Do you want me to name them all?
Cottee could've showed us loyalty, he didn't. I don't care about the reasons you give. Therefore, I don't see him as anything near club legend status. Don't let that ruin your day, it's got to be a hard enough slog living there as it is.
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ludo21
2:07 Mon Jun 12
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cholo 10:31 Mon Jun 12
Interesting article about Stuart Slater... pretty devastating quote in there though:
The consequences were that Lyall’s days at the club were coming to an end, and that season, relegation was followed by Lyall’s sacking, after 34 years of service.
‘If we’d known John was going to be sacked, I think we would have done more,’
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swindon hammer
1:54 Mon Jun 12
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Eeyore,
Yep you find 2 players in completely different era’s as very rare examples when there are many more that didn’t which totally disproves the “Footballers had more loyalty back in the 80s” you Donkey.
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Swiss.
1:40 Mon Jun 12
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Julian Dicks to Liverpool. Maybe NRC to Villa as at the time they were bigger than us. Went from midfield dynamo to right back lol
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Eerie Descent
1:39 Mon Jun 12
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I think Cottee should have stayed. I'm not really bothered why you think he was right to leave, I personally think he should've showed some loyalty to the club he's now at pains to tell everyone he loves so much.
Should Brooking have left? Le Tissier with Southampton from the same sort of era?
You seem to have a real problem with anyone that disagrees with how you think. Just accept others have a different view, and move on, you highly strung wally.
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swindon hammer
1:25 Mon Jun 12
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Which part?
The lack of ambition by our board in the 80s?
That there were many players in the 80s who decided to not show loyalty to their boyhood clubs to join bigger clubs and make more money?
Or that Billy Bonds was also at Millwall?
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Eerie Descent
1:17 Mon Jun 12
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I completely disagree with you, Swindon.
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swindon hammer
12:59 Mon Jun 12
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Eerie,
Cottee didn’t leave us in the lurch. He left us in preseason so we had enough time to get someone else in. The club fucked up by not pushing on after the 85/86 season.
Allowing McAvennie to leave and then not getting a replacement for 6 months, not finding long term replacements for the likes of Parkes, Bonds & Devonshire who were past their best. The club was in free fall and Cottee was the only one doing anything to try and prevent that.
I’m pretty sure you have rightly questioned our current owners for their lack of ambition at times and their failure to build on something decent when it does happen but that hasn’t been as bad as the owners in 1986 when we finished 3rd and then subsequently had 3 shit seasons and got relegated.
As far as loyalty in the 80s, Ian Rush left Liverpool, Gary Lineker left Leicester, Gazza left Newcastle. Players always wanted to join bigger clubs and make more money even back then.
Oh and Billy Bonds managed Millwall. So what?
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claypole
12:32 Mon Jun 12
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David Unsworth definitely regretted leaving West Ham for Villa
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zico
12:27 Mon Jun 12
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I think one or two here had no real choice in going in many ways. Certainly Matty Holmes was deemed by the management to not be good enough for the top division so I suspect he would have stayed otherwise. Did Dicks really want to go, because I seem to remember it was a transfer of convenience because we were struggling at the time. Mark Ward may have stayed if Macari had never have got the job, but who knows. The one I don't believe is Incey saying in the past that he would have stayed if Lyall had. Yeah ok maybe one more season but Fergie has already admitted in "They Played For John Lyall" that he was after Ince before John was sacked.
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